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	<title>Comments on: The Basics of Critiquing: The Protagonist and the Goal</title>
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		<title>By: Books All Writers Should Read?</title>
		<link>http://mizwrite.com/2010/03/02/the-basics-of-critiquing-the-protagonist-and-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-2416</link>
		<dc:creator>Books All Writers Should Read?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mice and Men was listed several times, which I also loved. (Wrote about it here.) Great goal, action, protagonist, conflict. It was all there, woven perfectly. And here’s a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Basics of Critiquing III: The Antagonist and the Conflict</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Basics of Critiquing III: The Antagonist and the Conflict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 04:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mizwrite</title>
		<link>http://mizwrite.com/2010/03/02/the-basics-of-critiquing-the-protagonist-and-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1978</link>
		<dc:creator>mizwrite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Lauran -- Yes, all short stories need to have a protagonist and a goal (otherwise they are simply character sketches). 

I didn&#039;t read Olive Kitteridge, but my guess is that Olive is the protagonist in every one, and I&#039;m guessing there is an external goal of some kind in every one. But perhaps there is a larger, internal goal that she acquires over the course of the stories? Was there a theme threading through all of them?

Some writers will publish short stories as a &quot;collection,&quot; but others (like Elizabeth Stout, I&#039;m guessing) will put stories together in a careful way (often with the same protagonist) to convey a bigger learning arc overall. I&#039;m thinking of Hemingway&#039;s In Our Time, where Nick is the main character in all the stories, but  his growth happens because all the stories took place. And didn&#039;t Jhumpa Lahiri write her collection this way? With individual goals, but with a larger, more theoretical goal for the main character occurring over the entire book?

It&#039;s similar to music artists, who sometimes put together an entire album where all the songs are disconnected. But other times (when it&#039;s truly brilliant), they put the songs together because they are all connected by theme or tell a story (The Beatles, for instance).

I wanted to read Olive, though! -- worthwhile?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Lauran &#8212; Yes, all short stories need to have a protagonist and a goal (otherwise they are simply character sketches). </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t read Olive Kitteridge, but my guess is that Olive is the protagonist in every one, and I&#8217;m guessing there is an external goal of some kind in every one. But perhaps there is a larger, internal goal that she acquires over the course of the stories? Was there a theme threading through all of them?</p>
<p>Some writers will publish short stories as a &#8220;collection,&#8221; but others (like Elizabeth Stout, I&#8217;m guessing) will put stories together in a careful way (often with the same protagonist) to convey a bigger learning arc overall. I&#8217;m thinking of Hemingway&#8217;s In Our Time, where Nick is the main character in all the stories, but  his growth happens because all the stories took place. And didn&#8217;t Jhumpa Lahiri write her collection this way? With individual goals, but with a larger, more theoretical goal for the main character occurring over the entire book?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s similar to music artists, who sometimes put together an entire album where all the songs are disconnected. But other times (when it&#8217;s truly brilliant), they put the songs together because they are all connected by theme or tell a story (The Beatles, for instance).</p>
<p>I wanted to read Olive, though! &#8212; worthwhile?</p>
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		<title>By: Lauran</title>
		<link>http://mizwrite.com/2010/03/02/the-basics-of-critiquing-the-protagonist-and-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1976</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So in a book like Olive Kitteredge where you have short stories with one common character throughout are you looking at Olive&#039;s goal or is there a different protagonist in every chapter so multiple goals?  I&#039;m curious now, I&#039;ll have to think about (if I can remember) the protaganoists goal in the books I haven&#039;t liked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So in a book like Olive Kitteredge where you have short stories with one common character throughout are you looking at Olive&#8217;s goal or is there a different protagonist in every chapter so multiple goals?  I&#8217;m curious now, I&#8217;ll have to think about (if I can remember) the protaganoists goal in the books I haven&#8217;t liked.</p>
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		<title>By: mizwrite</title>
		<link>http://mizwrite.com/2010/03/02/the-basics-of-critiquing-the-protagonist-and-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1968</link>
		<dc:creator>mizwrite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Dave -- I didn&#039;t see &quot;Slumdog Millionaire&quot; (yes, I&#039;m among the four people in North America who didn&#039;t...), so can&#039;t help with that one. But now I&#039;m interested to know! Hmmm ... must explore. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Dave &#8212; I didn&#8217;t see &#8220;Slumdog Millionaire&#8221; (yes, I&#8217;m among the four people in North America who didn&#8217;t&#8230;), so can&#8217;t help with that one. But now I&#8217;m interested to know! Hmmm &#8230; must explore. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David aka Ziggy Starbuck</title>
		<link>http://mizwrite.com/2010/03/02/the-basics-of-critiquing-the-protagonist-and-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1963</link>
		<dc:creator>David aka Ziggy Starbuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you mentioned movies. I don&#039;t read much fiction, but I love movies.

The whole world loved &quot;Slumdog Millionaire&quot; and I just didn&#039;t see what all the fuss was about. I really can&#039;t put my finger on why I didn&#039;t like it other than I thought it was really dull and boring. I wonder if it was the protagonist and his goal that I didn&#039;t like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you mentioned movies. I don&#8217;t read much fiction, but I love movies.</p>
<p>The whole world loved &#8220;Slumdog Millionaire&#8221; and I just didn&#8217;t see what all the fuss was about. I really can&#8217;t put my finger on why I didn&#8217;t like it other than I thought it was really dull and boring. I wonder if it was the protagonist and his goal that I didn&#8217;t like?</p>
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		<title>By: Patti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah...yes...goals...I have a whole sheet to set up a character&#039;s goals...who the characters are...what they want...why they want it..why they can&#039;t have it...Laurie&#039;s right. That is bloody hard to make clear at times, but I think that&#039;s where getting to know your characters come in. We all have goals, from being famous, a raging success in a company or just trying to hold on to your job, we all have them. The trick is to motivate them so that the readers get it.
And that is harder than you think. My awesome crit partner pointed that out to me the other day, and it is hard work to put it in your manuscript. 
As for reading, I guess I don&#039;t focus on the goals that much really, I focus on the people and the story it self. How they grow, what they change, if they change themselves and the process...to me that is what makes the story. And I do suppose their goals internal or external have a bit to do with it. You want to be able to root for your characters and guess I like a read where the goal is more internal reflecting personal growth, than an actual material goal. 
And some authors do that very well...some not at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8230;yes&#8230;goals&#8230;I have a whole sheet to set up a character&#8217;s goals&#8230;who the characters are&#8230;what they want&#8230;why they want it..why they can&#8217;t have it&#8230;Laurie&#8217;s right. That is bloody hard to make clear at times, but I think that&#8217;s where getting to know your characters come in. We all have goals, from being famous, a raging success in a company or just trying to hold on to your job, we all have them. The trick is to motivate them so that the readers get it.<br />
And that is harder than you think. My awesome crit partner pointed that out to me the other day, and it is hard work to put it in your manuscript.<br />
As for reading, I guess I don&#8217;t focus on the goals that much really, I focus on the people and the story it self. How they grow, what they change, if they change themselves and the process&#8230;to me that is what makes the story. And I do suppose their goals internal or external have a bit to do with it. You want to be able to root for your characters and guess I like a read where the goal is more internal reflecting personal growth, than an actual material goal.<br />
And some authors do that very well&#8230;some not at all.</p>
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		<title>By: The Basics of a Critique II: More on Protagonists and (Slippery) Goals</title>
		<link>http://mizwrite.com/2010/03/02/the-basics-of-critiquing-the-protagonist-and-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1957</link>
		<dc:creator>The Basics of a Critique II: More on Protagonists and (Slippery) Goals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 04:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] earlier we were talking about the basics of critiquing being identifying the protagonist, and identifying the goal.  But both can be a little tricky, so I thought I’d take the discussion to the next [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ChristopherAKASuperman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChristopherAKASuperman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  A lot to ponder...
I&#039;ve read quite a few books that I liked and didn&#039;t finish a lot more I haven&#039;t liked; I&#039;ve never thought about why. This can help in my understanding of that. You really laid it out well and in an easy to understand way. 
You should teach this stuff Laurie, you made EVEN ME get it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  A lot to ponder&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;ve read quite a few books that I liked and didn&#8217;t finish a lot more I haven&#8217;t liked; I&#8217;ve never thought about why. This can help in my understanding of that. You really laid it out well and in an easy to understand way.<br />
You should teach this stuff Laurie, you made EVEN ME get it&#8230;</p>
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