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	<title>Comments on: The Basics of Critiquing II: More on Protagonists and (Slippery) Goals</title>
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		<title>By: mizwrite</title>
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		<dc:creator>mizwrite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Xen! Congrats on the first novel! It&#039;s so much fun. Are you doing NaNoWriMo? 

As for whether a protag can have more than two goals, he/she certainly can, it just can get messy, as I mentioned in the post. And sometimes readers can get confused (or exhausted) about which goal to root for. But take a closer look at your three revolving goals -- are they perhaps more closely aligned than you think? Do they all take the character to the same fulfillment? An example of multiple goals is The Wizard of Oz, where there were actually several for Dorothy to pursue: she needed to see the wizard; she needed to get the witch&#039;s broomstick; she needed to get those ruby slippers on; she needed to catch that hot-air balloon! But these were all actually smaller goals that drove the larger goal of the book, which was to get home. Smaller goals like this create the action of the book. Perhaps this is what your three revolving goals are doing?

I think the only thing that would be confusing is if the three revolving goals led to different areas of fulfillment for your character. For instance, if one led to independence, but another led to commitment, while another led to world status. The reader would be confused about what your character really WANTS and would find it hard to keep rooting. 

So as long as your three revolving goals play into each other, and lead to a final fulfillment that makes sense for a single character to want, I think you can make it work. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Xen! Congrats on the first novel! It&#8217;s so much fun. Are you doing NaNoWriMo? </p>
<p>As for whether a protag can have more than two goals, he/she certainly can, it just can get messy, as I mentioned in the post. And sometimes readers can get confused (or exhausted) about which goal to root for. But take a closer look at your three revolving goals &#8212; are they perhaps more closely aligned than you think? Do they all take the character to the same fulfillment? An example of multiple goals is The Wizard of Oz, where there were actually several for Dorothy to pursue: she needed to see the wizard; she needed to get the witch&#8217;s broomstick; she needed to get those ruby slippers on; she needed to catch that hot-air balloon! But these were all actually smaller goals that drove the larger goal of the book, which was to get home. Smaller goals like this create the action of the book. Perhaps this is what your three revolving goals are doing?</p>
<p>I think the only thing that would be confusing is if the three revolving goals led to different areas of fulfillment for your character. For instance, if one led to independence, but another led to commitment, while another led to world status. The reader would be confused about what your character really WANTS and would find it hard to keep rooting. </p>
<p>So as long as your three revolving goals play into each other, and lead to a final fulfillment that makes sense for a single character to want, I think you can make it work. <img src='http://mizwrite.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Xen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 05:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the wonderful piece of information! I am currently working on my first novel ( yes, i am an amateur! You guys&#039; repelling factor :P)  and i came here to know whether it is all right to have more than two goals for a protagonist or not. The problem i was facing was that my protagonist has three revolving goals. And although I want one goal to be treated with a higher priority, I am not able to because of the plot has been designed in such a way. 
Seems i have two choices left: Change the plot or change the Plot! :)
Thanks again! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the wonderful piece of information! I am currently working on my first novel ( yes, i am an amateur! You guys&#8217; repelling factor <img src='http://mizwrite.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> )  and i came here to know whether it is all right to have more than two goals for a protagonist or not. The problem i was facing was that my protagonist has three revolving goals. And although I want one goal to be treated with a higher priority, I am not able to because of the plot has been designed in such a way.<br />
Seems i have two choices left: Change the plot or change the Plot! <img src='http://mizwrite.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Thanks again! <img src='http://mizwrite.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mizwrite</title>
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		<dc:creator>mizwrite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Lauran -- Thank you so much! I&#039;ve had to rekindle all this stuff as I started writing myself. I mean, I already *knew* it (sort of!) from high school English (and from being an English major for four long years!!!). But when I started writing again, I really had to refresh my memory on it all. And now I find it makes me enjoy reading again, and makes me look at movies a little differently. (In college, I actually took several fun film classes, too, which were much like literature classes.) I admire screenwriters and authors all over again for certain &quot;tricks&quot; they use. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Lauran &#8212; Thank you so much! I&#8217;ve had to rekindle all this stuff as I started writing myself. I mean, I already *knew* it (sort of!) from high school English (and from being an English major for four long years!!!). But when I started writing again, I really had to refresh my memory on it all. And now I find it makes me enjoy reading again, and makes me look at movies a little differently. (In college, I actually took several fun film classes, too, which were much like literature classes.) I admire screenwriters and authors all over again for certain &#8220;tricks&#8221; they use. <img src='http://mizwrite.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lauran</title>
		<link>http://mizwrite.com/2010/03/02/the-basics-of-a-critique-pt-2-more-on-protagonists-and-slippery-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-1977</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm, this would&#039;ve been a great addition to last Saturday&#039;s book club discussion.  I really enjoyed these last tow blogs - as an avid reader I would like to understand more about what I like and don&#039;t like - read with a critical eye.  Keep them coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm, this would&#8217;ve been a great addition to last Saturday&#8217;s book club discussion.  I really enjoyed these last tow blogs &#8211; as an avid reader I would like to understand more about what I like and don&#8217;t like &#8211; read with a critical eye.  Keep them coming!</p>
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		<title>By: mizwrite</title>
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		<dc:creator>mizwrite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Ziggy! Ah, the classic &quot;antihero&quot; is who you&#039;re talking about. And no need to wonder about yourself, because a lot of people love, love, love the antihero -- Tony Soprano is a great example, as is Dexter and even Gregory House. And I agree -- the writing is amazing when an author can make you like these otherwise extremely unlikeable people. He&#039;s called the &quot;antihero&quot; because he &quot;saves the day&quot; in some way, but has so many unlikeable characteristics. So you root for him despite his terrible flaws. I think people like the antihero because it shows the many facets of human nature.

But there&#039;s also the &quot;evil protagonist&quot; who doesn&#039;t really save the day or make you like him much (although there&#039;s sometimes a twinge of sympathy) -- I would put the killer Perry in this category, from In Cold Blood -- nothing &quot;heroic&quot; about him, but he&#039;s the protag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Ziggy! Ah, the classic &#8220;antihero&#8221; is who you&#8217;re talking about. And no need to wonder about yourself, because a lot of people love, love, love the antihero &#8212; Tony Soprano is a great example, as is Dexter and even Gregory House. And I agree &#8212; the writing is amazing when an author can make you like these otherwise extremely unlikeable people. He&#8217;s called the &#8220;antihero&#8221; because he &#8220;saves the day&#8221; in some way, but has so many unlikeable characteristics. So you root for him despite his terrible flaws. I think people like the antihero because it shows the many facets of human nature.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s also the &#8220;evil protagonist&#8221; who doesn&#8217;t really save the day or make you like him much (although there&#8217;s sometimes a twinge of sympathy) &#8212; I would put the killer Perry in this category, from In Cold Blood &#8212; nothing &#8220;heroic&#8221; about him, but he&#8217;s the protag.</p>
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		<title>By: David aka Ziggy Starbuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>David aka Ziggy Starbuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love stories where the protagonist is a bad guy. I&#039;m always interested to see how I react to the character. For example, Tony Soprano is deplorable in so many ways. Yet, in the series finale of &quot;The Sopranos&quot; I found myself anxious at the end of the show and wanting him to live.

One of my all-time favorite movies is &quot;The Professional&quot;. It&#039;s about a hit man who finds himself taking care of a 12-year old girl to whom he bears no relation. Every character in the movie is crooked in one way or another and the main character, Leon, is the best of the bunch. But, HE IS A HIT MAN. Still, it doesn&#039;t take long into the movie for the viewer to be rooting for Leon.

I don&#039;t know the first thing about writing, but I imagine is takes a pretty stellar writer to create a character who is so evil, yet so likable. In the real world, we would never side with murderers, but a well written character can make you root for the bad guy. It makes you wonder a little about yourself when you find these types of protagonists sympathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love stories where the protagonist is a bad guy. I&#8217;m always interested to see how I react to the character. For example, Tony Soprano is deplorable in so many ways. Yet, in the series finale of &#8220;The Sopranos&#8221; I found myself anxious at the end of the show and wanting him to live.</p>
<p>One of my all-time favorite movies is &#8220;The Professional&#8221;. It&#8217;s about a hit man who finds himself taking care of a 12-year old girl to whom he bears no relation. Every character in the movie is crooked in one way or another and the main character, Leon, is the best of the bunch. But, HE IS A HIT MAN. Still, it doesn&#8217;t take long into the movie for the viewer to be rooting for Leon.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the first thing about writing, but I imagine is takes a pretty stellar writer to create a character who is so evil, yet so likable. In the real world, we would never side with murderers, but a well written character can make you root for the bad guy. It makes you wonder a little about yourself when you find these types of protagonists sympathetic.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 04:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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